Just a Question...

topic posted Tue, December 5, 2006 - 10:10 AM by  AD
Hey, guys,

I've been wondering something for a while now... what is the deal with "keying" somebody's vehicle just because you don't like it. While I don't agree with it, I can at least wrap my head around keying somebody's car that you know and don't like. It dosn't seem very logical to base that sort of hatred on the type of car someone drives.

I'm not here to start a fight or anything, I've just had problems with this and cannot figure it out.

Thanks in advance for the feedback!

-A.D.
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    Re: Just an answer.....

    Tue, December 5, 2006 - 12:40 PM
    A) This has already been discussed ad nausea here: hummerdriverssuck.tribe.net/thre...823d4

    2) Why did you post the question in this tribe? Is this tribe called "Keying Cars is Really Cool" ??

    Furthermore) If someone keeps keying your car maybe you should look in the mirror and axe yourself some questions, and don't axe people who, um, don't key cars why they key cars....

    You're welcome.
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      Re: Just an answer.....

      Tue, December 5, 2006 - 3:22 PM
      xnowhereboyx,

      Thanks for the link to the previous thread, I really did not intend to be redundant. That thread is actually one of the reasons why I posted the question in this tribe...I was just curious as to what a person tries to accomplish by keying a car, not whether it would be OK to beat that person up.

      Furthermore, would you ask a victim of any other crime to "look in the mirror and axe themself some questions?" I would think not, but I could be wrong.

      I'm sorry to have gotten your dander up, I just thought I would seek answers from the "horse's mouth"...there was really no harm intended.

      One last thing...why are you so angry?
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        Re: Just an answer.....

        Tue, December 5, 2006 - 4:03 PM
        Please refer to your interwebs user's manual on the section about how the interwebs is a public forum and not everyone is there to hold your hand or required to be nice to you. This isn't the "Get Polite Answers to Dumb Questions" tribe. Isn't there a tribe for car enthusiasts or for vandalism that would be an actually appropriate place to axe your question? Why did you choose to pose your question about car keying to a tribe of hundreds of people who have nothing to do with car keying??

        I suggested maybe you look inside yourself for the answers as to why people keep keying your car because you're the best source for the answer instead of a bunch of strangers here who A) don't know you and 2) are not psychic. I don't understand how that turned into me blaming the victims of (other) crimes. You didn't mention it in your original post, but do you drive a Hummer? If so, that might be clue #1 why people keep keying it. People who drive Hummers are idiots, as exemplified repeatedly here by "tony". Do you make your neighbors mad? Did you recently break up with someone? Are you not paying child support? Did you call some people in the audience of your recent stand-up engagement the n-word? It could be anything, which is why I suggested you think about what's going on in your life that makes people key your car instead of axing a bunch of thoughtful, responsible, pretty strangers why. Maybe your car is axing for it. Do you put your car in hot pants and a tube top and take it to the bar where it gets drunk and acts all slutty??

        > > > why are you so angry?

        Who said I was angry? If you are too sensitive to deal with people on message boards who snark you might I suggest you stick to leaving messages that include "ROFLMAO" and ";>)" for your cousins on myspace or looking up Mama's Family DVDs on amazon or perhaps bidding on those last few Precious Moments figurines on ebay that you need to complete your collection. You're welcome. {rolls eyes and goes back to buffing nails}
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          Re: Just an answer.....

          Tue, December 5, 2006 - 4:32 PM
          There are so many troubling issues with your response that I really do not know where to begin...so I wont.

          I know WHY people keep keying my car; b/c of the type of car it is. The reason I posted in this forum is because you and your friends are the "type" of people that would key a car b/c of the type of car it is...as evidenced by the thread you provided for me earlier. I know you do not key cars, I just thought you, or the others in the tribe, could offer some insight. If you don't want to help, thats fine. But you have gone out of your way to be antagonistic, which I do not believe is the point of this tribe. But since this is "your" tribe, I will seek my answers elsewhere, per your suggestion.

          By the ay, Tony is not representative of all large suv/Hummer owners. It would be a shame for you to stereotype a group of people based on little more than one guy in an internet group. Smacks of intolerance...
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            Tue, December 5, 2006 - 4:43 PM
            > > > Tony is not representative of all large suv/Hummer owners. It would be a shame for you to stereotype a group of people based on little more than one guy in an internet group.

            and just prior to that ---

            > > > The reason I posted in this forum is because you and your friends are the "type" of people that would key a car b/c of the type of car it is...

            I believe this would be an example of hypocrisy. You expect us not to assume all Hummer/SUV drivers are fat, selfish idiots yet you assume that I and my "friends" (???) are the type of people who would key a car just because we're intelligent and conscientious. Well played, sir.

            Thanks for playing, though. It's been fun.

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              Re: Just an answer.....

              Tue, December 5, 2006 - 4:59 PM
              I really don't think that it's that far off base to think, based on the thread that you provided, that the people in the "if you drive a hummer, you're an asshole" tribe have one or two things in common with the people that key suv's.

              However, you are correct, it is wrong for me to make such seeping assumptions. That is why I am here to get educated on what "the other side" thinks. I guess I should just make my own conclusions without ever talking to people with differing opinions. Its called leaving your comfort zone. Its painful, but it works.

              I did not mean to offend anyone or accuse anyone of anything.

              Congrats on the marriage proposal. I have not looked, but if you are half as beautiful as you are intelligent, you will make some lucky guy (or gal) very happy!

              Cheers!
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                Tue, December 5, 2006 - 5:07 PM
                *One* guy in that thread said his "friend" keys hummers.

                No one else agreed. Right now, there are 331 people in this tribe.
                What we have in common, is thinking that *If You Drive A Hummer, You're An Asshole.*

                So, if you drive a Hummer, it's safe to assume that most of the people in this tribe think you are an asshole.
                Other assumptions are just your own projections.
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                  Re: Just an answer.....

                  Tue, December 5, 2006 - 5:22 PM
                  Agreed, Rebecca.
                  However, there are 2 relevant things I can think of that you would have in commom with would-be hummer vandals; a) you think all Hummer drivers are assholes, and b) you hate hummer drivers so much that it motivated you to do somthing. In this case, you and the other tribal members were motivated by that hatred to join a group about hating hummers. Others apparently just key them to deal with their hatred. I do not assume the members of this tribe key hummers. Just thught this would be a good place to get some anwers, particularly in light of the dialogue that took place previous thread.

                  Also, speaking of assumptions, I incorrectly assumed xnowhereboyx, was female. I apologize, but I would honestly take it as a compliment.
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                    Tue, December 5, 2006 - 5:45 PM
                    > > > Just thught this would be a good place to get some anwers, particularly in light of the dialogue that took place previous thread.

                    A thread that you didn't read before deciding this would be a good place to get some answers....

                    > > > Also, speaking of assumptions, I incorrectly assumed xnowhereboyx, was female.

                    Well, given that it has "boy" right in the title explains a lot about your other posts....

                    I will give you a), but with b) there you go again making assumptions about people. Where did the idea come from that people who think SUVs or Hummers are completely irresponsible are also hate-filled radicals and vandals? Do you also have the idea that all liberals think and act the same way because of what Rush Limbaugh says about an imaginary group of people? Do you think it's impossible to be against a war but still support the troops?

                    I think more appropriate questions for this tribe would be along the lines of "Why do SUV drivers hate America?" or "Why do SUV drivers who are also parents not care about their kids?" That way you not only pander to your audience but you also pose relevant questions. You're welcome.
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                      Re: Just an answer.....

                      Tue, December 5, 2006 - 6:03 PM
                      A few things, I read the thread about keying cars before you provided it, which is why I posted in the 1st place.

                      If you read my last post, you will see that I agreed with Rebecca that broad assumptions were wrong, however, I just said you hate hummer owners enough to do something (like join this tribe)

                      Also, you look nothing like a blonde cartoon boy, so sorry (again) for my assumption.

                      And FYI, I am a proud liberal democrat. I don't why you would ASSUME otherwise...
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    Wed, December 6, 2006 - 1:05 PM
    That's why they key cars. All of you tree hugging liberals who think they are saving the world by vandelizing a car. Next time you liberal activists try to key a Hummer why don't you try it while the owner is still there and not be a coward. Lets see how much balls you actually have.
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      Wed, December 6, 2006 - 1:12 PM
      tony -
      you are the LAST person to ask someone to step forward and not be a coward...heed your own advice!!
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        Re: because they are chickenshit cowards

        Wed, December 6, 2006 - 2:23 PM
        Please tell that to the plethora of people on Judge Judy for keying someone's car.

        OK, so it's not Henry and it's not theguythatican'tmentionotherwisehegetssandinhisvagina, and I swear it's not me, so that leaves 326 people in this tribe who could be behind "tony". How many guesses do I get?
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          Wed, December 6, 2006 - 4:15 PM
          it could be samhain, our very own tribe moderator.
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            Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:27 AM
            That's what I thought, too, since usually a moderator would boot someone like "tony". Perhaps it's his way of inciting discussion in his tribe?
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              Thu, December 7, 2006 - 10:36 AM
              > > > I just said you hate hummer owners enough to do something (like join this tribe)

              But you are still assuming that everyone in this tribe is some hate-filled angry person. I don't hate anyone. My dad is an asshole, but I don't hate him. Do I think people who drive Hummers are selfish, physically unhealthy, uncaring attention-seeking idiots? Yes. Do I hate people I don't know just because they drive a garbage truck as their personal vehicle? No. You make it sound like joining this tribe is like joining the mafia or something. I also joined tribes where I do not hate Murder She Wrote, inane reality TV shows, bands, or Alexander McQueen.

              > > > Also, you look nothing like a blonde cartoon boy, so sorry (again) for my assumption.

              And I assume you don't really have a huge question mark over your face. Well, if you drive a Hummer, maybe you do.....
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                Thu, December 7, 2006 - 4:27 PM
                "Do I think people who drive Hummers are selfish, physically unhealthy, uncaring attention-seeking idiots? Yes."

                wow, thats a pretty harsh assumption...much harsher than my assumption that the members of this tribe "hate" hummer drivers. And if you don't hate them, you're right around rhe corner from hating 'em. However, if it makes you feel better, I stand corrected.

                Also, the folks on Judge Judy, I assume, want to get caught because they are mad at the person for a wrong they have commited against the vandal; they want to make a point. This a different situation.

                Furthermore, you complan that i did not pay enough attention to your "picture", then you try to "make a funny" because I do not look like my question mark default pic, basicly defering to my original point...bro, your all over the road, but i guess i appriciate the "discussion" just the same.

                Cheers!
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                  Fri, December 8, 2006 - 3:09 PM
                  > > > Also, the folks on Judge Judy, I assume, want to get caught because they are mad at the person for a wrong they have commited against the vandal; they want to make a point.

                  Yes, people getting sued for keying someone's car want to get caught because they want to give the plaintiff thousands of dollars as well...

                  > > > Furthermore, you complan that i did not pay enough attention to your "picture", then you try to "make a funny" because I do not look like my question mark default pic, basicly defering to my original point...bro, your all over the road,

                  There you go projecting again --- when did I complain?? I was just pointing out the error of your ways. And if I'm all over the road it's because I have to be in order to get around your dumptruck of a vehicle.
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                    Fri, December 8, 2006 - 3:30 PM
                    > > > "Do I think people who drive Hummers are selfish, physically unhealthy, uncaring attention-seeking idiots? Yes."
                    wow, thats a pretty harsh assumption...

                    Case in point, I'm in Palm Springs for the weekend and since arriving yesterday I've seen six Hummers on the road. Five of the six Hummer drivers were overweight guys (you can tell even from the chest up because of their width from the side and also that their tree-trunk necks are not distinguishable from their fat heads) with crew cuts. Besides, what I think about Hummer drivers is not an assumption, it's a logical deduction:

                    selfish - Despite all the evidence of global warming and economic studies that show driving gas-guzzling vehicles actually weakens the economy, people still choose to drive an unnecessarily oversized vehicle that they know only gets 12 mpg because they want one. There is no consideration for anyone else on the road, no consideration for the environmental or economic impact of their decision, and no consideration for future generations (especially if they have kids). i.e. selfish

                    physically unhealthy - Not only are most of the Hummer drivers I see on the road noticeably overweight, but there has been at least one study showing a correlation between being obese and driving an SUV.

                    uncaring - Please see 'selfish'

                    attention-seeking - Please refer to my previous comments in other threads about how Hummer drivers feel the need to drive a parade float down the street so people look at or notice them. Driving around in a garbage truck makes them feel superior to other drivers on the road, in the same way that driving a luxury car like a Mercedes or Jaguar makes someone feel superior, only with a Hummer it's a false physical and "macho" superiority and not an economic superiority. Even Hummer drivers with tinted windows oftentimes roll them down so people can see them driving their Sherman tanker down the road. I saw one guy in SF driving a Hummer with tinted windows with them rolled down on a 45-degree (i.e. chilly) day leaning out the window talking on a cell phone with vanity plates with "5WAT415" on them (SWAT and 415 being the SF area code). Even commercials for the Hummer play up to people's insecurities about feeling weak or ignored.

                    idiots - n : a person of subnormal intelligence Combined with all the reasons above, if someone is stupid enough to drive or buy a Hummer despite all the negatives then they are, indeed, an idiot.
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                      Fri, December 8, 2006 - 4:11 PM
                      Happy Friday xnowhereboyx,

                      I appreciate your thorough responses, they really are a pleasure to read. I also appreciate your opinions and feelings about hummers and their owners, and I do not wish to convert you to the "suburban soccer mom masses." You are obviously passionate about your position, I respect that. I guess I cannot argue with what you say you have seen with your own eyes.

                      Would I DO wish to do is possibly get back on track re: my original inquiry. I realize this may not be possible in light of your previous responses and that's fine. I just hope you choose to use your impresive intellect to actually address the issues at hand instead of continuing this display you and I have been engaged in for the past couple of days.

                      A little friendly advice, if you do in fact want to change things and change peoples minds, the antagonistic approach is not always best. Some people have no choice, however I believe that you are more than cabable of different approaches.

                      If we do not correspond before the end of the weekend, enjoy Palm Springs and don't let the hummer owners get you down :-)

                      Cheers!
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                        Mon, December 11, 2006 - 1:01 PM
                        We're sorry, the question you have dialed is not valid. Please hang up and try your question again.

                        In your original question you do not bother to mention that you drive a Hummer (nor do you ever even acknowledge this from what I remember, it has to be deduced by the gentle reader of your posts), and it was pointed out to you that just because people join this tribe does not mean that we're hate-filled car keyers, but I will attempt to indulge you since you really are desperate for some sort of answer (either that or you're totally stalking me, which could also possibly be true).

                        I would not key someone's car, but the closest I have ever come to keying someone's car was about ten years ago in Chicago. There were no parking spaces available for about a seven-block radius of where we were going and then I saw someone pull out of a legal space so I put on my turn signal and prepared to do a U-turn (the parking space was on the other side of the street, i.e. the opposite direction I was facing). I politely waited for an oncoming car to pass before doing the U-turn so as not to block the street for him. It should've been obvious to him that I was going to take the space, but for some reason he goes ahead and pulls into it even though I honked at him when he slowed down and I realized he was going to pull into the space. I rolled down the window and told him I was obviously waiting for the space and he took it anyway and he just walked away and said "Too bad." Much like Hummer drivers, his arrogance and stupidity upset me and I wanted to key his car to punish him. Maybe whoever is repeatedly keying your Hummer feels that keying it is appropriate punishment for your having/driving one. That's really the only explanation I can think of. If it's happening a lot, I would venture to guess that the person responsible knows you and that's why I suggested you examine yourself to see who doesn't like you and for the reasons why they don't.

                        But with that being said, I still think you are way out of line to axe that question here. Why do a very few members of the "pro-life" movement bomb clinics or shoot abortion doctors (which is, um, not pro-life....)? Can everyone else in the pro-life movement, who all must hate women who have abortions since they are so full of anger that they joined the movement and put bumper stickers on their car, explain or justify why the small percentage of their members bomb clinics? What about the small number of Muslims who are terrorists? Or priests who molest children? I know car keyers within the anti-SUV camp is a much less severe comparison, but I think you get my point that people within the larger group usually don't condone or justify or even know why a small percentage of their members does egregious actions, nor can they answer/speak for them when they don't know the motivations behind something they would never do themselves.

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                          Mon, December 11, 2006 - 4:19 PM
                          Sorry to give you the "stalker vibe" ;-)

                          Thanks for the input, the punishment angle is one that had not really crossed my mind, I assumed it wa just more of a simple hatred of the truck.

                          Well, I think thats about all I'm going to get out of this group for now so I'll be on my way. I see your point about attributing the deeds of the few to the many, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone in the tribe.

                          And for the record, I do drive a (hand-me-down) H2, I get over 20 mpg due do modifications. I'm not an A-Hole...usually. I'm not old, out of shape, selfish, or compensating for anything in anyway. I take Public Transprotation or my bike to school most days; the H2 stays parked as much as possible. We honestly just like to take it to cool remote places (fire roads, Snowboarding, etc.) and my friends and family, like me, are a little too big/tall for most small/mid-sized SUV's.

                          I know I can be dismissed as an exception to the rule, but I only share this stuff with you so that you give the hummer drivers a little slack untill they earn their asshole stripes :-). Anyways, thanks for letting me play with you guys for a while...I'll get out of your hair.

                          Cheers!
                          Anthony
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                            Thu, January 25, 2007 - 10:27 PM
                            The H2 is a very poor off road choice. You would be better off selling it, pocketing the money and getting a Jeep Wrangler - Throw in 5k worth of mods and that thing would be a monster.

                            PS. You're an asshole.